Is the INEOS a G ?
What do we think of the INEOS Grenadier? An engineering led vision of a utilitarian 4x4.
It looks very Land Rover-ish. It has ladder frame and beam axles. It got design expertise from Magna in Austria.
Personally, I like the idea of a modern day re-think of the 4x4. Leveraging lessons learned and modern materials and design. So why does it look the same and will it compete with a G ? Will the manufacture come close to MB G standards? Will the components stand the test of time, or reveal a host of lessons-not-learned issues?
"No electronics"
Count me in!
It's a shame it looks SO much like the old Defender - at first glance I could believe it was a built-under-license continuation (Fiat/Lada or Morris/Hindustan anyone?) but maybe for this vehicle it's a good thing marketing-wise?
I watched this video and another one after. Neither references the G Wagen, which must be "on purpose" too...
If they build a SWB version, they may find me knocking at their door - especially if it's an EV :-) !!
Would the new Suzuki Jimny be a better option, bigger than before but still cute, less of a gamble than Ineos
I love the idea of the Grenadier. In fairness, I also think they're way behind where they claim to be in the development. All the videos are renderings, not footage of the actual car.
I love the idea of the Grenadier. In fairness, I also think they're way behind where they claim to be in the development. All the videos are renderings, not footage of the actual car.
I watched this video and assumed it was a real car but then I watched it again after reading your post and looking at the obscured windows I think you are correct. I imagine it won't be long before it will be impossible to tell what is a real and what is a fake video.
The Ineos Grenedier is being reviewed on Auto Mundial, next Sunday morning on ITV 4 at 6.50 am
As well as a 2008 LHD G Wagon, we also have a Jimny - a year old, so the current model. I think they've stopped selling them as there will be no more coming into the UK due I think to "fleet average" emissions fines. It's great but very very small.
Fantastic review here by Andrew St Pierre White - who has some great overland trip videos on youtube also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK3363tzmyE
I'm keen on the Ineos. I'd prefer a Toyota engine rather than BMW but you can't have everything. They've got some experienced firms involved in the engineering. Like Jdring I fear teething troubles.
Mike
Does it have locking diffs?
Started off with initial price of about 28k, now over 40k, I fear too expensive for most farmers, Utility companies etc?
Will be very hard to break into the pick up market,
Also have a new Jimny, traction is very impressive, seems very quick compared with my 463 300d, tho not as stable!
"Re: Is the INEOS a G ?"
Depenandant on what your definition of a "G" is.
The "G" is an abbriviation of Geländer which has several meanings, one of those is "rails" - I suppose the association here is the ladder frame of the vehicle? Originally, I was told by a German it meant Cross-country vehicle.
Given that, then the Ineos is a "G" as is a Land Rover and other Cross-country off road vehicles.
In essence to your question it is not a "G" as in G-Wagen. It could be a formidable off roader but currently I have some questions put out to the company for more technical details.
Ineos is no 'micky mouse' company, it has petro-chemicals background having over £60 Billion turnover.
In 2017 it was nominated as UK's most profitable private company, it has patnered with Magna on the technical devlopments of the chassis and with BMW for the twin turbo petrol and diesel power plants and investing £600,000 towards bringing the vehicle to the Market place.
They are concurrently, working on double cab, tippers and flatbed versions.
I hope this posting does not flood requests to the company but those of you wishing to get behind the Gernadier's wheel can register at the link below:
https://ineosgrenadier.com/register
A huge conglomerate assembled out of sell offs & bankrupcies & strategic partnerships, each company is separate from the next so this limits its vulnerabilities. Prime concers are chemical & petrochemical, given the bosses history I'd guess some of his financing is from the USA.
Though are they reliable,? thought BMW not doing well in reliability tests?
For everyday driver sure engine choice is fine, for abuse in outback etc, perhaps Iveco,or Toyota might have been a better choice
I am on the fence regarding electronics. The days of a mechanical only engine have passed. Even those have crank position sensors, oils temp sensors etc.
And I am mostly amazed at the robustness of integrated circuits. For something so small and complex. OK, water is a no-no, but vibration, heat, etc is all good. Keep the electronics dry and its as reliable as a conrod or bearing.
Improvements are needed in engine management software though(ECU). There should always be an override. even if it is one which you keep having to set every 100 miles (to avoid permanent overrides of trivial or non-trivial issues).
Even limp mode is not acceptable when you are stuck working/far away, unless it really is an issue that would damage the engine without it.
Also, will have to have ABS, Air bags? For type approval? Most customers will want these.
Traction Control, all really useful.
Think the new Defender, just ridiculous with all the electrics, and so far don't seem to be glitch free.
Unsure when euro 7 kicks in? Sure Bmw on top of that, but think of all the extra stuff for that?
Interested to see if it actually gets off the ground ,a lot of talk at the moment.
Well it was on briefly but no engine details, no interior shots or of the engine bay, the new Defender looks something else though
So the Ineos is definitely doing to be built in a French factory. Ex-Mercedes at least.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-9031209/Sir-Jim-Ratcllffe...
Well Daimler - which is even more synergy with the G heritage. And this way they get economies of scale because the factory gets to make the EQ Smart Car too - and access to battery tech for when the Ineos goes electric, which it must.
Leave aside the pros and cons of Brexit... at least the new 4x4 is rolling on. Choice is good (but its never a G)
The current G class has nothing incommon with the w460, similar visuals but it is no longer a practical utilitarian vehicle, too luxurious, too much electical gimmickery far to expensive as well. This is the earlier models hold their value, their lack of complexity is appealing, after the zombie apocalypse its the old diesel w460 that can run on chip fat and will survive an EMP will be the vehicle to have.
If this new truck is basic, robust, reliable, and well priced it will find a market
My wifes Golf 6 is smitten with electrical problems, very frustrating as its not a bad car at all, too much gadgetry though, who really needs esp or even abs on our clogged roads where average speeds rarely exceed 50 mph.
Unless you move to the 3rd world, no getting away from electronics in modern cars, sure the Ineos will have more than its fair share, but the new Defender definitely seems way over the top with gimmicks
Totally agree. Even 460's have electrics and sensors. I can repeat the conclusion I had before - electronics is surprisingly robust. The issue is electics for luxuries, and electrics which kill the car when they fail.
If a luxury fails because of electrics, then you are no worse off than without. Some obvious exceptions such as electirc windows, seats etc where there is no manual alternative! It's the expensive ECU and engine/emissions monitoring that can get you and kill the car. But really they are about as reliable as the physical components in the same spaces and normally cause an engine light rather than failure to keep going. And they do actually help to prevent damage and tell you what is wearing out.
So Ineos, or G, the electrics will be there. There is a certain charm to driving a Morris Minor or a 460 with the no frills basics, but I've moved to have both! I still don't do much myself on the 460 though.
G-Wagen = Geländewagen
"Re: Is the INEOS a G ?"
Depenandant on what your definition of a "G" is.
The "G" is an abbriviation of Geländer which has several meanings, one of those is "rails" - I suppose the association here is the ladder frame of the vehicle? Originally, I was told by a German it meant Cross-country vehicle.
G-Wagen = Geländewagen
Grenadier (with a 'G') is getting there:
https://www.facebook.com/INEOSGrenadier/?utm_source=Salesforce&utm_mediu...
There is a competition to contribute a colour scheme and design. I think something that highlights the nods to the G would be a good idea.
They should have a guess the price competition!
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